Or, at least, you'd think it was.
For those of you not in the know, California's Proposition 8 will be voted on in the upcoming elections. Prop. 8 is a proposal to amend the constitution of the state of California to define marriage as being only between one man and one woman. In short, a "yes" vote on Prop. 8 is a vote to ban gay marriage.
For the past few months, I've watched the discussion on Prop. 8 unfold. Almost everyone I know in CA is Mormon, and thus most Californians I know are in favor of Prop. 8. Members of my family have donated considerable sums of money, made phone calls on behalf of the "Yes on 8" movement, gone door-to-door to convince their neighbors to vote in favor of Prop. 8, and so on. It makes me feel funny, to be perfectly honest.
Having been raised Mormon, I think I understand how they think and how they feel about gay marriage. To them, homosexuality is a sin, an abomination. Marriage is sacred, and defined by their church as being only between a man and a woman. Well, currently, anyway. Though no longer a member of the faith, and despite the fact that I have friends and co-workers that are gay, I still have some of the homophobia I picked up during my childhood. I've read many articles and bits of information that suggest that homosexuality is largely the result of genetics, and my gay friends are very cool people, so I think my homophobia, mild as it may be, is regrettable.
The issue of gay marriage is not one that excites me greatly. When I think about all the issues facing our country and our world, it seems relatively unimportant. It's one of the issues that I wish would go away, like abortion. I'm tired of hearing about it, and like abortion, it always seems to come up when there are many other, more important things that we should be thinking about. It's a distraction.
When I consider the issue of gay marriage, however, I cannot think of ever supporting a measure to ban it. Banning it means changing constitutions/laws/regulations to add a form of discrimination. There is something about that that strikes me as being very wrong, especially in light of the fact that sexual preferences are largely a part of a person's genetic makeup. How you act on those preferences is a choice, yes, but if that choice harms no one (and no critic of homosexuality that I've ever seen has demonstrated meaningful evidence that it does cause harm), does it really make sense to ban it? In my opinion, it does not.
I've some interesting arguments against gay marriage from the "Yes on 8" crowd:
- "Did you know that the Roman Empire fell after they became more accepting of homosexuality?" This argument is beyond stupid. It's not even an argument. It's an illogical, post hoc ergo propter hoc assumption about the cause of the fall of the empire. People willing to spout such nonsense probably don't even know when the empire fell, how long it was in existence, or that it lasted almost seven times as long as this country has been in existence.
- "Gay marriage will 'likely' harm the ability of children to form a clear gender identity." Um, I can think of a lot of other things that will do more harm to this, like allowing men and women to hold the same jobs, or allowing men to stay at home with the kids while moms go out into the workplace. Oh, wait--we already do that. Also, the "likely" thing concerns me, as it seems to be at the heart of many anti-gay marriage arguments. "Likely" sounds like "I think but really have no evidence to back up what I think." "Likely" doesn't seem like a great reason to legislate discrimination, if you ask me.
- "The Mormon Church will lose its tax-exempt, non-profit status if it refuses to perform gay marriages in its temples." This hasn't happened in any of the places where the church operates and gay marriage is already legal, so I don't see why it would happen in California. Besides, the church already "discriminates" against non-Mormons by not allowing them in its temples, let alone get married, so if there was going to be a problem with the church's non-profit status, it seems like that would have happened long ago. Why a gay couple would want to be part of or involved with a homophobic organization is beyond me, either way.
- "Marriage is ordained of God; the government should not be defining what it is." Marriage is already regulated by the government--that's why you have to get a marriage license before you can get married. Furthermore, a civil form of marriage is required in many countries (e.g., several European countries) before any kind of religious marriage ceremony (Mormon or otherwise) can be performed. Governments have been involved in marriage forever, and they probably always will be.
- "I don't know why gay people want marriage. Let them have civil unions--that's good enough." To me, this reeks of "separate but equal". We already know what's happened to "separate but equal" laws with regard to race in this country. I suspect "separate but equal" laws regarding gay civil unions would also not hold up under similar judicial scrutiny.
For me, the issue of gay marriage ultimately boils down to an issue of equality, and I just can't see myself ever supporting a law that would reduce equality or privileges for a segment of society when no one can show me any hard facts to support the notion that not reducing that equality would cause significant, tangible harm.
I respect the right of my friends and family in CA to be against gay marriage and campaign against it, but I can't support them. I think Prop. 8 sucks, and I'm surprised so many people out there don't feel the same way. Many men probably thought the sky was going to fall when women's suffrage was granted. Many whites probably thought Armageddon was near when schools were desegregated. Many Mormons probably thought the end of the world was around the corner when blacks were given the right to hold the priesthood. Clearly, each of these moves to reduce or eliminate discrimination have had positive effects that far outweigh any negative effects. In the long run, I believe the legalization of gay marriage would be the same.
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I don't agree with Proposition 8. Whether we like it or not, homosexuality is becoming more and more common in today's society. I agree that there are more important things to worry about than trying to force personal beliefs onto other people.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, trying to "force your personal beliefs onto other people" is something that all Mormons should be familiar with. Maybe the previous commenter has never heard of or seen these guys:
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I can understand how those who aren't Mormon can be opposed to Proposition 8. However, one of the strongest cornerstones of the Mormon religion is the belief in continuing revelation through a living prophet (or prophets). If you believe that President Monson is a prophet of God, then however you feel about the issue of gay marriage is irrelevant.
Ultimately, I think the church's stance comes down to two important points:
1. Obedience. I don't think it's by chance that a relatively new prophet would be faced with such a divisive issue that, no doubt, is causing members of the Church to question the faith and the legitimacy of President Monson's authority. Do we really believe and choose to follow the prophet, or do we believe and choose to follow the prophet only when we agree with him? Ultimately, I think God is separating the wheat from the chaff, and the Church will continue to grow from this situation as it has done since the restoration.
2. For the Church not to support heterosexual marriage (by opposing same-sex marriage) would be to go against the Plan of Salvation. The purpose of the POS (not like the car I used to drive, but the Plan of Salvation) is for all of Heavenly Father's children to return to him and be like him. In order for that to happen, we have been taught that marriage and procreation are essential elements to be like Heavenly Father. The Church won't just sit on its hands while the federal and/or state governments encourage homosexual relations by allowing the same rights and privileges afforded to them as are afforded to heterosexual couples, nor should members of the Church expect it to.
By opposing homosexual marriage, the Church is practicing what it preaches, namely a) homosexuality is a sin, b) a person that practices homosexuality, whether or not within the bonds of matrimony as defined by the state, will never be allowed to return to live with God, thus frustrating the Plan of Salvation.
Now, these arguments won't fly with non-Mormons, nor will they fly with Mormons who don't understand the basic tenets of religion they belong to. Most of the arguments put forth by proponents of Prop 8 are ultimately false. The Church will not lose its tax exempt status, nor will it be forced to perform homosexual marriages (the Constitution prohibits excessive government entanglement with religion, unless it relates to polygamy or the use of peyote in religious rituals). The US government and the courts will eventually allow gay marriage (that much was made clear by the Court in Lawrence v. Texas) but that doesn't mean the Church needs to alter its beliefs or sit back while what it believes to be sin becomes "more and more common in today's society."
To be completely honest, I am very conflicted about Prop 8 and I was raised Mormon and I believe President Monson is the living prophet.
ReplyDeleteI'm conflicted because Mormonism teaches that everyone has their agency to use as they will and this is a free country. I'm sure this is what my sister meant when she referred to forcing beliefs on someone else.
Although I don't agree with that lifestyle, I have a hard time with the idea of denying someone their rights. It is a form of discrimination. I have noticed that people who have a similar conflict usually know someone who is gay. That certainly makes things more complicated when someone you know and love is the one being discriminated against.
That being said, I do believe in the POS so that takes precedence over the civil rights issues I have. I am not upset the Church took a stand on this issue, since it has a very clear stance on homosexual relationships. It's doing what it's supposed to do: give spiritual guidance to its members. However, since we do have our agency it is up to us to follow that counsel or not. I think it's unfair to question someone's beliefs because they are honest about their feelings.
Let me clarify my previous comment. I was raised LDS and I don't agree with homosexuality as being morally correct. I have recently learned that a person that I have known and loved is gay and that it is something that they have been struggling with their whole life. Obviously casting this person from my life is not an option, neither do I want it to be. I consider myself an open minded person and the first things that came to my mind after learning that this person was gay, was not disappointment, disgust or hatred. I could only think about this person's struggle and what had to be going through their minds for several years and also of the homophobic comments that I know I have said in front of this person and other people have said around this person unknowingly. This person is one the most kind and loving people I know and has never said or done anything to hurt me. It pains me to know of the suffering that they have and have yet to endure. It is hard to tell someone like this, that they have a choice and that they have chosen to be gay and deserve the discrimination and ridicule of their peers. Clearly the easier choice would to be not gay. It is also hard to tell someone that they are not allowed the same rights as heterosexual couples. I do not think that this is right and that is why I oppose Proposition 8. I would not want someone to refuse my right to marry the person I love and wanted to spend my life with. By opposing Proposition 8, I am not saying that people and the LDS church should accept homosexual marriage. By saying that "it is becoming more and more common in society" I was stating a fact. Years ago I didn't know anyone who was gay and didn't know anyone who knew someone gay. Now that it's becoming more common and now that I am close to someone gay, I can actually put a "face" on homosexuality. We don't have to agree with their choice of lifestyle or support it, we should simply remember that they are people. People that are being discriminated against because of our personal belief that homosexuality is sin and that we are trying to enforce that belief by law. The Church also tries to teach forgiveness and to "love the sinner not the sin" but these teachings seem to be harder ones to follow. I'm not saying that the Church should sit back and allow homosexuality. Anyone practicing homosexuality is putting their own salvation in their own hands but preaching to their face is not going to change their lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteIm glad jesus christ himself commented on this blog thanks jesus lead us to the promise land. What other teaching should we follow? I am glad you are in a position to tell people what is right and wrong.
ReplyDeleteI concur with all your arguments.
ReplyDeleteSteve-O, good post. I'm not going to bother arguing for or against government restriction of marriage here (I've done that enough on my own blog). But as a historian, I'd like to add a thought on the first argument you listed (homosexuality is what caused the fall of the Roman Empire): This sort of argument drives me nuts. Homosexuality (and other things we in the Church would call sexual immorality, such as orgies) was much more common in Roman society during the Republican period and the early decades of the Roman Empire than it was during the last years of the Empire, when Christianity became dominant. If anything, we should be claiming that it was the lack of homosexuality which lead to the fall of the Roman Empire! Of course, that argument would be ridiculous as well. Both ideas ignore the incredible complexity of the issue (demographic changes, technological developments, economic shifts, and so on), and both seem to make value judgments about the Empire (are we really suggesting that it was bad for an autocratic empire to fall?). The incredible ignorance of that line is astounding. You are right to reject it.
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